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goku overrated?
Topic Started: Jan 16 2013, 08:45 AM (2,152 Views)
FamousBueller
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2 me goku was boring at times and I didn't really like his fights
Goku vs frieza was epic
Goku vs majin vegeta was epic
Goku vs kid buu was epic

But that's it, me personally I think vegeta and gohan had way better fights

Gohan vs raditz (showed his hidden power)
Gohan vs nappa & vegeta
Gohan vs recoome & frieza
Gohan vs garlic jr and the spice boys
Gohan vs cell
Gohan vs super buu/buu tenks

Vegeta vs goku, goha, krillin & yajirobe
Vegeta vs cui, dodoria, zarbon, ginyu force and frieza
Vegeta vs 19, 18 and cell
Vegeta vs fat buu

I mean know gokus the hero but he wasn't there til the end of the saiyan saga, he wasn't there until the end of the frieza saga, he wasn't there until the end of the cell saga and he wasn't there until the end of the buu saga lol
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Well he didn't kill that many people in Z, so of course he wouldn't have a lot of epic fights.

I think his top three; no particular order are:
-vs. Freeza
-vs. Vegeta
-vs. Cell

He just didn't get a chance after a while, but I understand, because he was getting in that wise old age of a coaching role anyways. A master.
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Anything thats popular falls prey to the overrated category.

Opinions vary, my friend. As much as I like Gohan, I could flat-out say that SS2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell was atrocious, abysmal in comparison to Goku vs Cell.

Anime filler fight of SS2 Goku vs Kid Buu easily edges out most fights in DBZ.

Fact to the matter is Goku's characterization is what tends to make people feel as overrated, even more so in Funi's dub
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The problem with Goku, at least canonically, is he oftentimes IS or caused the problem. Or at the very least didn't do anything to stop it. Goku's Raditz connection led to Vegeta which led to all of the Z-Fighters dying which led to Namek, more deaths, Freeza... He was basically the target and whole reason the Androids and Cell were created. And he and Vegeta were responsible for freeing Boo with all their energy output (despite him knowing how it works) and then, admitted twice he could have killed Boo (SSj3 vs. Fat Boo and SSj3 vs. Chibi Boo) but basically wanted "to let the younger generation do it on their own" and "to give Vegeta a chance."

The problem with Goku is, despite his heroics and best intentions, he accidentally draws a lot of bad attention and frequently tries to pass off the job to others, which just leads to more deaths. He didn't finish Freeza. Died in vein trying to save them from Cell. Made Gohan the one who was supposed to beat Cell. Purposely didn't destroy Boo, which led to the events of the middle-end of the Boo saga, which led to the deaths of everyone on Earth and all of his friends and family, sans Vegeta.

His intentions are never bad, but, to sum it up, yes, Goku is very overrated. For a guy that draws so much terrible voodoo and then is too soft to stop it, causing more deaths and making his friends and family do all the dirty work, he is really too praised. That and his empty headed nature make him a not very interesting character and very overrated.

By the way, if you did want to add GT into this, I'd point out that all of the wishes he used on the Dragonballs to clean up his own mess ended up killing and destroying everything all over again.
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Goku has the godly anime fights on lock.

When it comes to W/L by death that's Vegeta as he wins the most fights, gets the most kills, and because Gokus first actual kill doesn't come to Yakon. When it comes to holy ***** moments that was Gohan. Comedy was Krillin. Character development was Piccolo. Annoying was Chi Chi and Bulma. Vulgar was Roshi. Useless was Tien and Yamcha being crash test dummies in z.

Goku is the star of the show in the same way Tommy is the star of the power rangers, he can suck you with his smile, attitude, and skills. Results go overlooked because of it though
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Kblo247
Jan 16 2013, 11:19 AM
Goku has the godly anime fights on lock.

When it comes to W/L by death that's Vegeta as he wins the most fights, gets the most kills, and because Gokus first actual kill doesn't come to Yakon. When it comes to holy ***** moments that was Gohan. Comedy was Krillin. Character development was Piccolo. Annoying was Chi Chi and Bulma. Vulgar was Roshi. Useless was Tien and Yamcha being crash test dummies in z.

Goku is the star of the show in the same way Tommy is the star of the power rangers, he can suck you with his smile, attitude, and skills. Results go overlooked because of it though
Indeed. Probably my best evidence for Goku being overrated is how overrated the anime companies made him when making filler. Canonically speaking, you notice Goku actually is not that great. But with the filler and movies, he is always the guy finishing the enemies off and kicking ***** while everyone else is KO'ed.
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Kblo247
Jan 16 2013, 11:19 AM
Goku has the godly anime fights on lock.

When it comes to W/L by death that's Vegeta as he wins the most fights, gets the most kills, and because Gokus first actual kill doesn't come to Yakon. When it comes to holy ***** moments that was Gohan. Comedy was Krillin. Character development was Piccolo. Annoying was Chi Chi and Bulma. Vulgar was Roshi. Useless was Tien and Yamcha being crash test dummies in z.

Goku is the star of the show in the same way Tommy is the star of the power rangers, he can suck you with his smile, attitude, and skills. Results go overlooked because of it though
I agree with most things , but Tien useless? For a Human being he is the most useful human in entire series.

Its not like you expect a human fight a main villain , since only the Saiyans and Namekian could only do , in fact Tien was useful in both Cell and Buu saga.
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I wouldn't really call Goku overrated; he has quite a few haters actually. Even the people who like him seem to rarely place him as their #1 character, and pretty much all his stupid decisions (especially in the Buu saga) are criticized.

It's just that as much as Goku *****s things up his personality really is that of a genuinely nice guy. It's just that he's a bit dense at times and due to the positions he's usually in his mistakes cause world ending disasters.
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Indeed. Probably my best evidence for Goku being overrated is how overrated the anime companies made him when making filler. Canonically speaking, you notice Goku actually is not that great. But with the filler and movies, he is always the guy finishing the enemies off and kicking ***** while everyone else is KO'ed.

He isnt that great, right. But its funny you would bring that up, when the main fact and point about dbz is to show how great Goku is.....

And honestly the only stupid mistake goku made, and a very stupid one at that, is him not killing buu and wanting the kids to practise and master fusion while buu is killing people...wtf?

Seriously, I think AT was smoke some serious **** while doing the buu saga. either that or probably had little time making the saga saw the majorities review on the show (that really all they love is the fights and the gangster talk before them)and went **** off with the story and just had a blast writing the saga..
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Jan 16 2013, 01:57 PM
Kblo247
Jan 16 2013, 11:19 AM
Goku has the godly anime fights on lock.

When it comes to W/L by death that's Vegeta as he wins the most fights, gets the most kills, and because Gokus first actual kill doesn't come to Yakon. When it comes to holy ***** moments that was Gohan. Comedy was Krillin. Character development was Piccolo. Annoying was Chi Chi and Bulma. Vulgar was Roshi. Useless was Tien and Yamcha being crash test dummies in z.

Goku is the star of the show in the same way Tommy is the star of the power rangers, he can suck you with his smile, attitude, and skills. Results go overlooked because of it though
I agree with most things , but Tien useless? For a Human being he is the most useful human in entire series.

Its not like you expect a human fight a main villain , since only the Saiyans and Namekian could only do , in fact Tien was useful in both Cell and Buu saga.
I said crash test dummy. I mean they did make him one in the anime. He gets his hand chopped off by Nappa, then choked out by 17 which makes Vegeta and Poccolo have to try to save him, and then one shotted by half a Buu and laughed at.

I mean he's no Yamcha who gets himself killed by a saibaman, a hole punched in him, and runs with the women, kids, and elderly from Buu but still.
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Jan 16 2013, 08:45 AM
I mean know gokus the hero but he wasn't there til the end of the saiyan saga, he wasn't there until the end of the frieza saga, he wasn't there until the end of the cell saga and he wasn't there until the end of the buu saga lol

^ This.
Also I have to add you're talking about DBZ and DB GT, not DB. DB had a VERY exciting Goku in my opinion.
I think the creators abused this factor. Whenever something was about to happen, Goku got sick or was too hurted to fight among his friends. So they had to fight without him. I agree Vegeta's fights are a bit better because he had 'more' in some way.
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I said crash test dummy. I mean they did make him one in the anime. He gets his hand chopped off by Nappa, then choked out by 17 which makes Vegeta and Poccolo have to try to save him, and then one shotted by half a Buu and laughed at.

I mean he's no Yamcha who gets himself killed by a saibaman, a hole punched in him, and runs with the women, kids, and elderly from Buu but still.


In saiyan saga, he beats a saibaman ( useful ) , and fights with 1 arm H2H against Nappa , I mean a Piccolo couldn't do shet against Nappa H2H , its not like we expect Tien stomp Nappa with 1 hand , the point is: Tien's honorable scene. You can't point this as a useless move...but as a heroic move for everything he gave.

Frieza saga: Death

Android/Cell saga: His attack against Cell is the only useful scene of the Earthlings. The fact that no one could stop Cell 2nd form , as the group (Goku,Piccolo,Gohan,Krillin,18 and 16) respects Tien and calls it a honorable move , which no one could save the androids while a weakling Tien stops him and steals the show.

Buu saga: Again , the only useful move of the Earthlings. Saving Dende,Mr.Satan,Gohan and Bee , while Gohan is shocked and happy at the same damn time seeing Tien stealing the show. And again , its not like we are gonna see Tien fighting a Buutenks who one-shots the strongest warrior Mystic Gohan ;)

Of course Tien did not had H2H fights often as the DB series , but he is far from useless unlike Yamcha and Chiautzu.
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I mean vegeta had better fights not just more but BETTER

His fight with goku 2 me he outclassed goku, goku had to abuse his body wit kaioken 3 and 4 and vegeta showed how he could control the great ape form

He dominated dodoria and zarbon

Vegetas battle with recoome was epic, he destoryed jeice wit a blast and defeated ginyu
Even he's beat down from frieza was awesome

His battle with 19 was alright but better than Gokus (even doe goku was sick)
His battle wit cell and the final flash the first time I saw it I thought it was CRAZY

The rematch goku vs vegeta both were = enjoyed both sides
Vegeta vs fat buu I thought was awesome and vegeta gettin beat by kid buu was awesome lol
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I mean vegeta had better fights not just more but BETTER

His fight with goku 2 me he outclassed goku, goku had to abuse his body wit kaioken 3 and 4 and vegeta showed how he could control the great ape form

He dominated dodoria and zarbon

Vegetas battle with recoome was epic, he destoryed jeice wit a blast and defeated ginyu
Even he's beat down from frieza was awesome

His battle with 19 was alright but better than Gokus (even doe goku was sick)
His battle wit cell and the final flash the first time I saw it I thought it was CRAZY

The rematch goku vs vegeta both were = enjoyed both sides
Vegeta vs fat buu I thought was awesome and vegeta gettin beat by kid buu was awesome lol

This is really all about ones taste...

I felt the fight between goku and piccolo was the best.
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If were including db

Goku vs master roshi
Goku vs tien
Goku vs king piccolo/piccolo jr

All those battles were awesome
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